Legislature(2023 - 2024)GRUENBERG 120

03/06/2023 01:30 PM House JUDICIARY

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01:30:55 PM Start
01:32:26 PM HB66
02:56:47 PM Adjourn
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        HB  66-CONTROLLED SUB.;HOMICIDE;GOOD TIME DEDUC.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:32:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 66, "An  Act relating to homicide  resulting from                                                               
conduct   involving  controlled   substances;  relating   to  the                                                               
computation of good time; and providing for an effective date."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE proceeded to the consideration of amendments.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:33:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C. JOHNSON moved to adopt Amendment 1 to HB 66,                                                                  
labeled 33-GH1482\A.2, Radford, 2/25/23, which read:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 1, following "substances;":                                                                                 
          Insert "relating to misconduct involving a                                                                          
     controlled substance in the first degree;"                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 25:                                                                                                 
     Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                          
        "* Sec. 2. AS 11.71.010(a) is amended to read:                                                                      
          (a)  Except as authorized in AS 17.30, a person                                                                       
     commits the crime of  misconduct involving a controlled                                                                    
     substance in the first degree if the person                                                                                
               (1)   delivers  any amount  of a  schedule IA                                                                    
     controlled substance to a person  under 19 years of age                                                                    
     who is  at least  three years  younger than  the person                                                                    
     delivering the substance;                                                                                                  
               (2)   delivers any  amount of a  schedule IIA                                                                    
     or  IIIA  controlled substance  to  a  person under  19                                                                    
     years of age  who is at least three  years younger than                                                                    
     the person delivering the substance; [OR]                                                                                  
               (3)     engages  in  a   continuing  criminal                                                                    
     enterprise; or                                                                                                         
               (4)   delivers any  amount of a  schedule IA,                                                                
     IIA, or IIIA controlled substance to a person who is                                                                   
               (A)  mentally incapable;                                                                                     
               (B)  incapacitated; or                                                                                       
               (C)   unaware that a controlled  substance is                                                                
     being delivered.                                                                                                       
        * Sec. 3. AS 11.71.010(b) is amended to read:                                                                         
          (b)  For purposes of this section,                                                                                    
               (1)   a  person is  engaged in  a "continuing                                                                
     criminal enterprise" if                                                                                                    
               (A) [(1)]  the person  commits a violation of                                                                
     this chapter which is punishable as a felony; and                                                                          
               (B)  [(2)]   that violation  is a  part of  a                                                                
     continuing series  of five or  more violations  of this                                                                    
     chapter                                                                                                                    
               (i)  [(A)]   which the  person undertakes  in                                                                
     concert  with at  least five  other persons  organized,                                                                    
     supervised, or otherwise managed by the person; and                                                                        
               (ii)  [(B)]   from which  the person  obtains                                                                
     substantial income or resources;                                                                                         
               (2)   "incapacitated"  has the  meaning given                                                                
     in AS 11.41.470;                                                                                                       
               (3)  "mentally incapable" has the meaning                                                                    
     given in AS 11.41.470."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 16, following "Act,":                                                                                         
          Insert "AS 11.71.010(a), as amended by sec. 2 of                                                                      
     this  Act, AS 11.71.010(b),  as  amended by  sec. 3  of                                                                    
     this Act,"                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 17:                                                                                                           
          Delete "sec. 2"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 4"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN objected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:33:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY moved to adopt [Conceptual Amendment 1] to                                                                  
Amendment 1 to HB 66, labeled 33-GH1482\A.7, Radford, 3/6/23,                                                                   
which read:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 1, following "substances;":                                                                                 
          Insert "relating to misconduct involving a                                                                          
     controlled substance in the first degree;"                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 25:                                                                                                 
     Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                          
        "* Sec. 2. AS 11.71.010(a) is amended to read:                                                                      
          (a)  Except as authorized in AS 17.30, a person                                                                       
     commits the crime of  misconduct involving a controlled                                                                    
     substance in the first degree if the person                                                                                
               (1)  delivers any amount of a schedule IA                                                                        
     controlled substance to a person  under 19 years of age                                                                    
     who is  at least  three years  younger than  the person                                                                    
     delivering the substance;                                                                                                  
               (2)  delivers any amount of a schedule IIA                                                                       
     or  IIIA  controlled substance  to  a  person under  19                                                                    
     years of age  who is at least three  years younger than                                                                    
     the person delivering the substance; [OR]                                                                                  
               (3)  engages in a continuing criminal                                                                            
     enterprise; or                                                                                                         
               (4)  delivers any amount of a schedule IA,                                                                   
     IIA, IIIA, or IVA controlled  substance to a person who                                                                
     is mentally  incapable, incapacitated, or  unaware that                                                                
     a controlled  substance is being delivered,  unless the                                                                
     person delivering the substance  is acting in the scope                                                                
          of the person's duties as a licensed medical                                                                      
     professional, caregiver, or guardian of the person.                                                                    
        * Sec. 3. AS 11.71.010(b) is amended to read:                                                                         
          (b)  For purposes of this section,                                                                                    
               (1)   a  person is  engaged in  a "continuing                                                                
     criminal enterprise" if                                                                                                    
               (A) [(1)]  the person  commits a violation of                                                                
     this chapter which is punishable as a felony; and                                                                          
               (B)  [(2)]   that violation  is a  part of  a                                                                
      continuing series of five or more violations of this                                                                      
     chapter                                                                                                                    
               (i)  [(A)]   which the  person undertakes  in                                                                
      concert with at least five other persons organized,                                                                       
     supervised, or otherwise managed by the person; and                                                                        
               (ii)  [(B)]   from which  the person  obtains                                                                
     substantial income or resources;                                                                                       
               (2)   "incapacitated"  has the  meaning given                                                                
     in AS 11.41.470;                                                                                                       
               (3)   "mentally  incapable"  has the  meaning                                                                
     given in AS 11.41.470."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 16, following "Act,":                                                                                         
          Insert "AS 11.71.010(a), as amended by sec. 2 of                                                                      
       this Act, AS 11.71.010(b), as amended by sec. 3 of                                                                       
     this Act,"                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 17:                                                                                                           
          Delete "sec. 2"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 4"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER objected.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:33:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:34:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY  stated  that   Conceptual  Amendment  1  to                                                               
Amendment 1 would add schedule  IVA controlled substances to page                                                               
1,  line 17,  of Amendment  1.   Additionally, it  would add  the                                                               
following: "unless the person delivering  the substance is acting                                                               
in  the  scope of  the  person's  duties  as a  licensed  medical                                                               
professional,  caregiver,  or  guardian  of  the  person."    The                                                               
purpose  of  the proposed  amendment,  he  said, was  to  protect                                                               
medical personnel,  caregivers, and guardians from  being charged                                                               
with  second  degree  murder  if the  delivery  of  a  controlled                                                               
substance resulted in death.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:35:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  asked  Mr.   Skidmore  to  speak  to  the                                                               
inclusion of  schedule IVA  controlled substances,  also referred                                                               
to as  "date rape" drugs,  as proposed in Conceptual  Amendment 1                                                               
to Amendment 1.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:36:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  SKIDMORE,  Deputy   Attorney  General,  Criminal  Division,                                                               
Department of  Law (DOL), on  behalf of the House  Rules Standing                                                               
Committee,  sponsor  by  request  of  the  governor,  provided  a                                                               
summary  of  the  underlying   amendment  before  addressing  the                                                               
question  posed  by Representative  Allard.    He explained  that                                                               
Amendment  1 sought  to  add  a new  subsection  to AS  11.71.010                                                               
[misconduct  involving  a  controlled   substance  in  the  first                                                               
degree], which  would elevate the criminal  conduct of delivering                                                               
a schedule IA, IIA, or IIIA  controlled substance to a person who                                                               
is  mentally   incapable;  incapacitated;   or  unaware   that  a                                                               
controlled substance is being delivered  from a class A felony to                                                               
an  unclassified  felony.    He  continued  to  explain  that  in                                                               
addition  to  the inclusion  of  schedule  IVA drugs,  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  1  to  Amendment  1  would  exclude  licensed  medical                                                               
professionals, caregivers,  or guardians.  He  directed attention                                                               
to page 1, line 8, of  Amendment 1, which referenced an exception                                                               
for individuals authorized  under AS 17.30.  He  conveyed that AS                                                               
17.30  authorized medical  professionals  to possess,  prescribe,                                                               
dispense, and administer controlled  substances to patients.  For                                                               
that reason,  he believed that  the added language  regarding the                                                               
scope  of  duties  for  licenses  professionals,  caregivers,  or                                                               
guardians [lines 19-21 of] Conceptual  Amendment 1 to Amendment 1                                                               
was superfluous.  He noted  that "caregiver" was not specifically                                                               
defined  in  Alaska  Statutes, adding  that  nothing  in  statute                                                               
expressly addressed  the issue of parents  providing a prescribed                                                               
controlled substance  to a  child, for example.   He  opined that                                                               
the  lack   of  a  definition  for   "caregiver"  and  "guardian"                                                               
presented  a   difficulty  if  the  proposed   amendment  to  the                                                               
amendment were adopted.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:45:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER asked  whether caregivers  or guardians                                                               
must obtain  a Drug Enforcement  Administration (DEA)  license to                                                               
prescribe drugs.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  clarified  that  the  DEA  only  licensed  medical                                                               
professionals who had received  educational training to prescribe                                                               
controlled  substances.   He  indicated that  the  DEA would  not                                                               
grant licenses to caregivers or guardians.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  inquired about the impact  of excluding                                                               
caregivers and guardians.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  explained  that   if  Conceptual  Amendment  1  to                                                               
Amendment  1 were  to pass,  caregivers  or guardians  - both  of                                                               
which were undefined  in statute - could not  be prosecuted under                                                               
AS  11.71.101(a)(4)   for  providing  schedule  IA   through  IVA                                                               
controlled  substances to  a person  who was  mentally incapable,                                                               
incapacitated, or unaware.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER asked Representative  Gray, the maker of                                                               
the  amendment,  to speak  to  the  purpose  of the  language  in                                                               
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:47:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRAY  expressed   concern  that   the  provision                                                               
[paragraph (4)]  in Amendment  1 could be  used against  a family                                                               
member administering pain medication  to an individual on hospice                                                               
care.  He presented a hypothetical scenario.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:48:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  asked  whether a  caregiver  was  legally                                                               
allowed to  provide morphine to  a spouse suffering from  a life-                                                               
ending disease.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  answered no,  Alaska Statutes  did not  authorize a                                                               
caregiver  or  guardian  to provide  a  controlled  substance  to                                                               
someone  else.   He  referenced  AS  17.30.080, which  allowed  a                                                               
person to administer drugs when properly licensed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE asked  whether Conceptual Amendment 1  to Amendment 1                                                               
was considered a friendly amendment.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:49:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  C. JOHNSON  asked Mr.  Skidmore to  opine on  the                                                               
addition of  schedule IVA controlled  substances to page  1, line                                                               
17, of Amendment 1.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  said it would not  create any drafting issues.   He                                                               
agreed  with Representative  Gray that  schedule IVA  drugs could                                                               
potentially be used for sexual assault.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked  whether  Mr.  Skidmore  had  ever                                                               
prosecuted a case in which a  person was poisoned to the point of                                                               
death after receiving a date rape drug.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE answered no.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   C.  JOHNSON   said   he  considered   Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1  to Amendment 1  "partially friendly."   He expressed                                                               
concern about the exception for  caregivers and guardians without                                                               
a corresponding definition in statute.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:50:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER  suggested   "dividing  the  question,"                                                               
indicating  his  desire  to  divide  Conceptual  Amendment  1  to                                                               
Amendment 1  into two  separate parts:  firstly, the  addition of                                                               
schedule IVA  controlled substances; secondly, the  exception for                                                               
licensed medical professionals, caregivers, and guardians.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD  asked whether the intent  was to bifurcate                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 1 to Amendment 1.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER answered  yes.   He explained  that the                                                               
purpose was to vote separately on each issue.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE  inquired about page  2 of Conceptual Amendment  1 to                                                               
Amendment 1.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  stated that  page 2, lines  11-12 would                                                               
be included  in the first  motion pertaining to the  inclusion of                                                               
IVA controlled substances.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:52:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER moved  to bifurcate Conceptual Amendment                                                               
1 to Amendment 1 to HB 66.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER noted  that  effectually, adopting  the                                                               
proposed motion would  allow for the committee to  add solely IVA                                                               
controlled substances to Amendment 1 [page 1, line 17].                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:54:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:55:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  pointed out that there  were no instances                                                               
of  a person  dying as  a direct  result of  ingesting date  rape                                                               
drugs  in Alaska.   For  that reason,  he was  uncomfortable with                                                               
adding IVA controlled substances to  the list, particularly as it                                                               
related  to  date rape  drugs,  which  generally did  not  result                                                               
directly in murder.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  VANCE shared  her understanding  that  schedule IVA  drugs                                                               
were only  being added to  the new subsection under  AS 11.71.010                                                               
[misconduct  involving  a  controlled   substance  in  the  first                                                               
degree].                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:58:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GROH asked  whether  trazadone  was listed  under                                                               
schedule IVA controlled substances.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE did not know the answer.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY shook his head in the negative.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:59:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  inquired  about  the  classification  of                                                               
criminal behavior in [paragraph (4)  of] Amendment 1 and how that                                                               
would be impacted by the inclusion of IVA controlled substances.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  answered, "It's  misconduct involving  a controlled                                                               
substance  in the  third degree,  and it  would be  moving to  an                                                               
unclassified [felony] for schedule IV[A]."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN inquired about the existing designation.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE said it was a  class B felony that would be elevated                                                               
to an unclassified  felony for the delivery of drugs  to a person                                                               
that was mentally incapable, incapacitate.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:01:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was  taken.  Representatives Carpenter, Johnson,                                                               
Gray, Groh,  Allard, and Vance  voted in  favor of the  motion to                                                               
adopt first portion  of the bifurcated Conceptual  Amendment 1 to                                                               
Amendment 1 to  HB 66.  Representative Eastman  voted against it.                                                               
Therefore, part 1 of Amendment 1  to Amendment 1 was adopted by a                                                               
vote of 6-1.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:01:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken.   Representatives Gray and Groh voted                                                               
in favor of the motion to  adopt second portion of the bifurcated                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 1 to Amendment  1 to HB 66.  Representatives                                                               
Allard, Carpenter,  C. Johnson, Eastman, and  Vance voted against                                                               
it.  Therefore, part 2 of Amendment 1 failed by a vote of 2-5.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE resumed the discussion on Amendment 1, as amended.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:02:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  C.  JOHNSON  asked   Mr.  Skidmore  to  speak  to                                                               
Amendment 1, as amended.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  reiterated that  Amendment  1,  as amended,  would                                                               
elevate  the  delivery  of  a  schedule IA,  IIA,  IIIA,  or  IVA                                                               
controlled  substance  to a  person  who  is mentally  incapable,                                                               
incapacitated, or unaware, to an unclassified felony.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:03:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN   said,  based   on  the   definition  of                                                               
delivery,  he was  not prepared  to add  schedule IA  through IVA                                                               
controlled  substances  [to   AS  11.71.010(a)(4)],  which  would                                                               
amount  to an  unclassified felony.    He further  noted that  in                                                               
addition to  murder in the  first degree, an  unclassified felony                                                               
was the most severe charge in Alaska.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:04:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY  expressed  his interest  in  ensuring  that                                                               
Amendment 1  would not be  used to punish parents,  guardians, or                                                               
caregivers,  with   an  unclassified  felony   for  administering                                                               
medication to a loved one.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE assured Representative Gray  that in his 25 years as                                                               
a prosecutor,  he could not recall  any instances of a  loved one                                                               
being prosecuted for a drug crime for administering medication.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked whether assisted suicide  was legal                                                               
in Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE did not know the answer.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked Mr. Skidmore to  provide additional                                                               
clarity.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  conveyed  that  he  had  not  seen  referrals  for                                                               
assisted suicide.   He  clarified that  Amendment 1  pertained to                                                               
the  prosecution of  an individual  for  delivering a  controlled                                                               
substance  to another  person.   He  emphasized that  it was  not                                                               
concerning a delivery that resulted in death.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN asked  whether  anything  in Amendment  1                                                               
would preclude  the state  from prosecuting a  case in  which the                                                               
delivery of controlled substances resulted in a death.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE clarified that  Representative Eastman was referring                                                               
to the manslaughter provision in  the underlying bill.  He shared                                                               
his belief  that nothing  in [the  amendment] would  preclude the                                                               
state  from  prosecuting such  a  case;  however, he  offered  to                                                               
verify  that  there  was  no  existing  protection  for  assisted                                                               
suicide somewhere in statute.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:08:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER referred  to  page 1,  lines 19-21,  of                                                               
Amendment  1.   He asked  whether the  inclusion of  subparagraph                                                               
(C), "unaware  that a controlled  substance is  being delivered",                                                               
suggested  that   someone  who  was  mentally   capable  and  not                                                               
incapacitated could  potentially be charged with  an unclassified                                                               
felony if he/she delivered a controlled substance.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE explained that if  the person delivering the package                                                               
knew that  it contained a  controlled substance and handed  it to                                                               
someone who was  unaware of its contents, he/she  would be guilty                                                               
of the crime outlined in Amendment 1.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER  sought  to verify  that  the  proposed                                                               
amendment  addressed   the  crime   of  misconduct   involving  a                                                               
controlled  substance  in  the  first   degree.    He  asked  for                                                               
confirmation  that an  individual  who  deliberately delivered  a                                                               
controlled  substance  to  a  person who  was  unaware  that  the                                                               
package contained  a controlled substance  would be guilty  of an                                                               
unclassified felony should the proposed amendment be adopted.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE answered yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:12:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD inquired  about  a scenario  in which  the                                                               
person  making   the  delivery  was  unaware   that  the  package                                                               
contained a controlled substance, but  the recipient was aware of                                                               
its contents.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  said the  person receiving the  drugs would  not be                                                               
guilty  of  delivering  a   controlled  substance  [the  criminal                                                               
behavior  proposed  in  Amendment 1];  however,  that  individual                                                               
could be guilty  of possession.  He continued to  explain that if                                                               
the  person making  the  delivery was  unaware  that the  package                                                               
contained a controlled substance, no crime was being committed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY expressed his confusion  as to the meaning of                                                               
"delivers."   He  shared  his understanding  that  the intent  of                                                               
Amendment 1,  as amended, was  to capture the conduct  of putting                                                               
drugs into another person's drink.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:14:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  removed his objection to  the motion to                                                               
adopt Amendment 1, as amended.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  objected.  He [moved  to adopt Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 2  to Amendment  1, as  amended, to  HB 66],  such that                                                               
"delivers"   on  page   1,   line  17,   would   be  changed   to                                                               
"administers."   He shared his  belief that the  provision should                                                               
be  limited  in  scope  to the  administration  of  a  controlled                                                               
substance into another person's body.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  objected.    She asked  Mr.  Skidmore  to                                                               
explain  the  difference  between the  statutory  definitions  of                                                               
"deliver" and "administer."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  cited  AS  11.71.900 and  proceeded  to  read  the                                                               
following definitions:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        (1) "administer" means the direct application of                                                                        
    a   controlled   substance,   whether   by   injection,                                                                     
       inhalation, ingestion, or any other means into the                                                                       
     body of a patient or research subject by                                                                                   
          (A) a practitioner or, in the practitioner's                                                                          
     presence, by the practitioner's authorized agent; or                                                                       
           (B) the patient or research subject at the                                                                           
     direction and in the presence of a practitioner;                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE opined that  replacing "delivers" with "administers"                                                               
would not  get to the conduct  that the maker of  Amendment 1 had                                                               
intended to address.  He defined "deliver" as follows:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      (7)   "deliver"  or   "delivery"  means   the  actual,                                                                    
     constructive, or attempted transfer  from one person to                                                                    
     another of a controlled  substance whether or not there                                                                    
     is an agency relationship                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE maintained  his belief  that "delivers"  would more                                                               
accurately capture the original intent of Amendment 1.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:18:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  withdrew   [Conceptual  Amendment  2  to                                                               
Amendment  1,  as  amended].    He  [moved  to  adopt  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 3  to Amendment  1, as  amended, to  HB 66],  such that                                                               
"delivers" on  page 1,  line 17,  would be  changed to  "causes a                                                               
person to ingest."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:18:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD asked for  the legal definition of "causing                                                               
someone to ingest."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  informed  the  committee  that  "ingest"  was  not                                                               
defined  in  Alaska  Statutes.    He  surmised  that  "ingestion"                                                               
referred to digestion through the  mouth, which would not include                                                               
injection or inhalation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD asked for the definition of "causes."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE explained  that "causes" was a  broader term subject                                                               
to  interpretation and  the way  in  which it  was argued  during                                                               
litigation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:20:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN shared  his understanding  that that  the                                                               
definition of ingestion was included in the bill.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  directed attention  to page  2, line  24 of  HB 66,                                                               
which defined  ingestion as "the voluntary  or involuntary taking                                                               
of a substance  into the body in any manner."   He indicated that                                                               
based on  the proposed definition,  causing a person to  ingest a                                                               
controlled  substance  would  broadly  cover  a  large  range  of                                                               
conduct, including inhalation and injection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE  asked whether the proposed  conceptual amendment was                                                               
considered "friendly" by the maker of Amendment 1.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C. JOHNSON answered yes.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY asked  whether Conceptual  Amendment [3]  to                                                               
Amendment 1  would change  "delivered" to  "ingested" on  page 1,                                                               
line 21, in addition to the change on line 17.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN   expressed  his  interest   in  granting                                                               
drafters the  authority to make  conforming changes to  allow for                                                               
uniformity.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE said  he was cautious of drafting  amendments on the                                                               
fly.  He pointed out that  the description of "ingestion" on page                                                               
2,  line  24, of  HB  66,  was preceded  by  the  words "in  this                                                               
paragraph"  meaning that  the definition  was  applicable to  the                                                               
murder  statutes,  as  opposed to  the  statutes  for  misconduct                                                               
involving  a  controlled  substance.     He  indicated  that  the                                                               
language would  need to  be added to  the appropriate  section of                                                               
statutes for applicability.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:24:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  suggested that he had  phrased his motion                                                               
such that Conceptual Amendment [3]  to Amendment 1 would refer to                                                               
the definition of ingestion already contained in HB 66.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD withdrew  her objection  to the  motion to                                                               
adopt Conceptual Amendment [3] to Amendment 1, as amended.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER  objected.     He  inquired  about  the                                                               
implication of replacing "delivers" with "causes to ingest."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  explained that the  impact would not go  beyond the                                                               
new provision in  paragraph (4) [Amendment 1,  as amended], which                                                               
expressly  related to  recipients  who  were mentally  incapable,                                                               
incapacitated,  or unaware.   He  assured committee  members that                                                               
the conduct for  delivering a schedule IA  through IVA controlled                                                               
substance was still criminalized in other sections of statute.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:27:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER directed  attention to  subsection (a),                                                               
paragraph (1), starting  on page 1, line 10, of  Amendment 1.  He                                                               
asked whether  the age  factor - specifically  a person  under 19                                                               
years of age - was applicable to paragraph (4).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE stated that subsection  (a)(1) was its own provision                                                               
within  AS  11.71.010; consequently,  it  had  no influence  over                                                               
paragraph (4).   However, he  explained that if the  recipient of                                                               
the  controlled  substance was  under  the  age  of 19  and  also                                                               
mentally  incapable  or  incapacitated,  the  offender  could  be                                                               
charged with both provisions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:29:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  summarized   his  understanding  of  the                                                               
discussion thus far.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:31:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:33:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  asked  Mr.   Skidmore  to  opine  on  the                                                               
proposed conceptual amendment.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:33:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  reiterated that  he preferred  not to  make changes                                                               
quickly.  He  stated that he favored "deliver"  over "ingest," as                                                               
it  was  the  verbiage  used  in case  law  and  existing  Alaska                                                               
Statutes.   He opined that  "deliver" was the  cleanest, clearest                                                               
option.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:36:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:37:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER moved  to table the discussion  on HB 66                                                               
to allow for more time to reflect on the proposed changes.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:38:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:39:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER withdrew the motion  to table HB 66.  He                                                               
maintained his  objection to Conceptual Amendment  3 to Amendment                                                               
1, as amended.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:40:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH  requested that  Conceptual Amendment  [3] to                                                               
Amendment 1, as amended, be restated.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:40:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  restated  that  the  proposed  amendment                                                               
would  change  the  word  "delivers"  on  page  1,  line  17,  of                                                               
Amendment 1,  as amended, to "causes  to be ingested".   He added                                                               
that  for  the  purposes  of paragraph  (4),  the  definition  of                                                               
"ingestion" was defined on page 2, lines [24-25], of HB 66.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:41:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote  was taken.   Representatives Groh  and Eastman                                                               
voted in  favor of the  motion to adopt Conceptual  Amendment [3]                                                               
to Amendment  1, as amended,  to HB 66.   Representatives Allard,                                                               
Carpenter,  C.  Johnson,  Gray,   and  Vance  voted  against  it.                                                               
Therefore, Conceptual  Amendment [3] to  Amendment 1 failed  by a                                                               
vote of 2-5.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:42:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was  taken.  Representatives Gray, Groh, Allard,                                                               
Carpenter, C. Johnson, and Vance voted  in favor of the motion to                                                               
adopt Amendment 1, as amended,  to HB 66.  Representative Eastman                                                               
voted  against  it.   Therefore,  Amendment  1, as  amended,  was                                                               
adopted by a vote of 6-1.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C.  JOHNSON moved to  adopt Amendment 2 to  HB 66,                                                               
labeled 33-GH1482\A.1, Radford, 2/21/23, which read:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 1, following "substances;":                                                                                 
          Insert "relating to sentencing;"                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 25:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
        "* Sec. 2. AS 12.55.125(c) is amended to read:                                                                      
          (c)  Except as provided in (i) of this section, a                                                                     
     defendant  convicted  of  a   class  A  felony  may  be                                                                    
     sentenced  to a  definite term  of imprisonment  of not                                                                    
     more  than  20  years,  and shall  be  sentenced  to  a                                                                    
     definite term within  the following presumptive ranges,                                                                    
     subject  to adjustment  as provided  in AS 12.55.155  -                                                                    
     12.55.175:                                                                                                                 
               (1)    if  the  offense  is  a  first  felony                                                                    
     conviction   and   does   not   involve   circumstances                                                                    
     described  in (2)  of this  subsection,  four to  seven                                                                    
     years;                                                                                                                     
               (2)    if  the  offense  is  a  first  felony                                                                    
     conviction                                                                                                                 
               (A)   and the defendant possessed  a firearm,                                                                    
     used   a  dangerous   instrument,  or   caused  serious                                                                    
     physical injury  or death during the  commission of the                                                                    
     offense,    or   knowingly    directed   the    conduct                                                                    
     constituting the  offense at  a uniformed  or otherwise                                                                    
     clearly   identified    peace   officer,   firefighter,                                                                    
     correctional  employee,  emergency medical  technician,                                                                    
     paramedic,  ambulance  attendant,  or  other  emergency                                                                    
     responder  who  was  engaged   in  the  performance  of                                                                    
     official duties  at the time  of the offense,  seven to                                                                    
     11 years;                                                                                                                  
               (B)  and the  conviction is for manufacturing                                                                    
     related to  methamphetamine under AS 11.71.021(a)(2)(A)                                                                    
     or (B), seven to 11 years if                                                                                               
               (i)     the   manufacturing  occurred   in  a                                                                    
     building with reckless disregard  that the building was                                                                    
     used  as a  permanent  or temporary  home  or place  of                                                                    
     lodging for one or more  children under 18 years of age                                                                    
     or the building was a place frequented by children; or                                                                     
               (ii)   in the course  of manufacturing  or in                                                                    
     preparation for  manufacturing, the  defendant obtained                                                                    
     the assistance of  one or more children  under 18 years                                                                    
     of age or one or more children were present;                                                                               
               (C)  and the  conviction is for manufacturing                                                                
     or     delivery    related     to    fentanyl     under                                                                
     AS 11.71.021(a)(1), seven to 11 years;                                                                                 
               (3)  if the offense is a second felony                                                                           
     conviction, 10 to 14 years;                                                                                                
               (4)  if the offense is a third felony                                                                            
         conviction and the defendant is not subject to                                                                         
     sentencing under (l) of this section, 15 to 20 years."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 16, following "Act,":                                                                                         
          Insert "AS 12.55.125(c), as amended by sec. 2 of                                                                      
     this Act,"                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 17:                                                                                                           
          Delete "sec. 2"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 3"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:43:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C.  JOHNSON stated that Amendment  2 would elevate                                                               
the  penalty  for  manufacturing  or  delivering  fentanyl.    He                                                               
referred to Mr. Skidmore for further explanation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:43:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  directed  attention  to  page  2,  lines  7-8,  of                                                               
Amendment  2.     He  confirmed   that  a  person   convicted  of                                                               
manufacturing  or  delivering  fentanyl  would be  subject  to  a                                                               
penalty of 7-11 years, as opposed  to the existing penalty of 4-7                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE moved  Conceptual Amendment [1] to  Amendment 2, such                                                               
that the  word "fentanyl" would  be deleted and replaced  with "a                                                               
schedule IA [controlled] substance."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE explained that  the intent of the conceptual                                                               
amendment was  to maintain consistency  with the  underlying bill                                                               
language and avoid prescriptively referencing one specific drug.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:45:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY  stated  his  support for  Amendment  2,  as                                                               
drafted, because  it would  keep the  scope limited  to fentanyl,                                                               
which was the original intent of the legislation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN expressed concern  about the broad changes                                                               
being made,  such as the use  of the word "delivery."   He opined                                                               
that [the scope]  of the bill had been expanded  past the initial                                                               
intent, which was originally limited  to fentanyl related deaths.                                                               
He  pointed  out  that  oxycodone  was a  schedule  IA  drug  and                                                               
questioned  the appropriateness  of  increasing  the penalty  for                                                               
sharing such drugs.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:46:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   C.   JOHNSON   expressed   his   opposition   to                                                               
[Conceptual Amendment 1] to Amendment  2.  He maintained that the                                                               
focus should specifically remain on fentanyl.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE withdrew Conceptual Amendment  1 to Amendment 2.  She                                                               
returned the discussion to Amendment 2.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:48:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN inquired  about  the  phrase "related  to                                                               
fentanyl" on page  2, line 8, of Amendment  2, characterizing the                                                               
verbiage as ambiguous.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE   perceived  the  provision  to   be  referring  to                                                               
fentanyl;  however, he  did not  know why  the drafter  chose the                                                               
words "related to."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:50:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked whether  there  would  be a  legal                                                               
difference  between "for  manufacturing  or  delivery related  to                                                               
fentanyl" and "for manufacturing or delivery of fentanyl."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE said, personally, he would read them the same.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:50:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN [moved to  adopt Conceptual Amendment 2 to                                                               
Amendment 2  to HB 66], such  that "related to fentanyl"  on page                                                               
2, line 8, would be deleted and replaced with "of fentanyl".                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD objected.   She  considered a  scenario in                                                               
which marijuana  was laced with  fentanyl and asked  whether that                                                               
would be considered "fentanyl related."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE answered yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   ALLARD  asked   how  that   scenario  would   be                                                               
prosecuted.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  explained that the  prosecutor would need  to prove                                                               
that the offender knew the marijuana was laced with fentanyl.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD inquired  about the  impact of  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 2 to Amendment 2.   She asked whether deleting "related                                                               
to" would affect existing statutes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE shared  his understanding  that there  would be  no                                                               
substantive impact.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD said,  "Basically, what  I just  heard you                                                               
say is that the amendment is not needed."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:53:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  discussed  the  importance  of  avoiding                                                               
vagueness in  statute.   He opined  that the  proposed conceptual                                                               
amendment would remove  some of the ambiguity  and vagueness, and                                                               
ultimately help the prosecution.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:54:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD maintained her objection.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:54:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call  vote was taken.  Representatives  Eastman, Gray, and                                                               
Groh voted in  favor of the motion to  adopt Conceptual Amendment                                                               
2 to  Amendment 2 to  HB 66.  Representatives  Allard, Carpenter,                                                               
C. Johnson,  and Vance voted  against it.   Therefore, Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 2 to Amendment 2 failed by a vote of 3-4.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:55:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote was  taken.  Representatives C.  Johnson, Gray,                                                               
Groh, Allard, Carpenter,  and Vance voted in favor  of the motion                                                               
to  adopt Amendment  2 to  HB 66.   Representative  Eastman voted                                                               
against it.   Therefore, Amendment 2 was adopted by  a vote of 6-                                                               
1.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE announced that HB 66 was held over.                                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 66 - Amendment #1 (A.2) by Rep. C. Johnson.pdf HJUD 3/6/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 66
HB 66 - Amendment #2 (A.1) by Rep. C. Johnson.pdf HJUD 3/6/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 66
HB 66 - Amendment #3 (A.6) by Chair Vance.pdf HJUD 3/6/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 66
HB 66 - Amendment #4 (A.4) by Rep. Gray.pdf HJUD 3/6/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 66
HB 82 - Sponsor Statement.pdf HJUD 3/6/2023 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/8/2023 1:00:00 PM
HB 82
HB 82 - v.A.PDF HJUD 3/6/2023 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/8/2023 1:00:00 PM
HB 82
HB 82 - Sectional Analysis.pdf HJUD 3/6/2023 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/8/2023 1:00:00 PM
HB 82
HB 82 - PROPOSED CS v.B.pdf HJUD 3/6/2023 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/8/2023 1:00:00 PM
HB 82
HB 66 - Amendment #5 (A.8) by Rep. Gray.pdf HJUD 3/6/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 66